Minutes of Mosaic Commons
General Meeting
June 17, 2001, 3:30-6:30pm
| Location: | Parmenter Community Health |
| Notetaker: | Stephanie |
| Action Items: | Dave |
| Facilitator: | San |
| Present: | Lisa Lally, Kim Shute, Rick Osborne, Gabriel, Dwight Ernest, Stephanie Doss, Dave Belfer-Shevett, Catya Belfer-Shevett, Zach, Roxanne Theimer, Jean Hopkins, Arlene Lietz, Kai Von Fintel, San Tunstall, Pascal, Emma, Rosa Carson, Nancy Carson and Andy Carson (Rosa's parents), Ken Porter, Christie White, Keith (who babysat) |
| Committee | Open Date | Update | Person | Description |
| Coordinating | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Catya | Talk to Kathy about philanthropic funding 6/17/01 - Cat sent her email, but hasn't heard back. |
| Coordinating | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Catya | Follow up with Neshama re: PR article sometime in June 6/17/01 - Cat sent her email - twice, hasn't heard anything back. If she doesn't hear back shortly in email, she'll call. |
| Coordinating | 06/17/01 | Christie | Appointed Taskmistress for this week's todos. | |
| Coordinating | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | San | Look up the very first meeting dates 6/17/01 - Has not had time to look at this yet. |
| Coordinating | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | San | Put the affordable document sent to us by John Abrams on the agenda for the second meeting in June 6/17/01 - It is up, but hasn't been talked about yet - Decision to probably talk about this next meeting, check on the schedule. |
| Coordinating | 06/17/01 | Steph | Reservations at Parmenter | |
| Finance | 06/03/01 | Dwight | Continue to work on data entry and programming for the new computerized accounting system and have statement for all memvbers at the next meeting | |
| Finance | 06/17/01 | Dwight | Make sure the LLC stuff gets to the Sec of State | |
| Finance | 06/17/01 | Dwight | Schedule to get some time with Cat to help out with bookstuff | |
| Finance | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Dwight | Send out email letting us know what the todate contribition levels are for members 6/17/01 - still working on it |
| Finance | 06/17/01 | Kai | Research information on mortgage pre-approval scheduling | |
| Finance | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Roxanne | Research affordability facilitation groups 6/17/01 - most organizations don't seem to want to allocate funds until you're ready to break ground |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | Art | Pass along the literature he received about Concord affordability to Roxanne for further followup | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | Catya | Get the contact info for Peter Yarrow from Chris to Roxanne | |
| LandSite | 06/17/01 | Catya | Get in touch with chris - is the 'status' on Framingham inclusive of his previous contract. | |
| LandSite | 06/17/01 | Catya | Update the contract for Chris, ready for signing. | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Catya | Finish getting the Concord report into electrfonic format and distribute it 6/17/01 - resend |
| LandSite | 06/17/01 | Catya | Open discussion for scheduling conference call on the mailing list. | |
| LandSite | 06/17/01 | Dave | Contact Jason re: Energy Star | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | Dave | Will maek initial contact with Kevin Hurley to see whether he will work us and how | |
| LandSite | 06/17/01 | Dave | Build a contact / land listing ready for handing to Chris | |
| LandSite | 06/17/01 | Dave | Get back in touch with the Concord Housing Trust | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Dave | Draft a fax with what we are looking for to send to realtors 6/17/01 - Sent to list, couple comments - minor changes, approved. |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | Elisa | Continue to research the Concord uraniam concerns | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | Roxanne | Authorized to spend up to $50 to gather documentation from Concord on our behalf - get a second set | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | Roxanne | Will determine whether the PRD law passed in concord | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Steph | Put a list of the criteria on the email list so that we know what we're looking for when we drive by a site |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Catya | Run off more trifolds - San specifically needs more. | |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Catya | Redraft the flyer and send it around again. Details are in the minutes. | |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Catya | Announcmeent list is getting 2 copies of postings. | |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Catya | Take location off the flier - just "Wayland" | |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Catya | Announce details on a picnicky thing on 6/24 at Cochituate 6/17/01 - "Oh yeah, I should do that." |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Christie | Research Massachusetts Teacher Returement Associatioin as a possible marketing outreach 6/17/01 - brought in the MTA Today newspaper. Called in to find the pricing structure for ads. Will post to the list when the numbers come out. If its less that $50, go ahead with it. |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Dave | Type up addresses from the last few introductory meetings to send to Kelly. | |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Dwight | Contact Sterlint Airport to make sure its alright to have our group hanging out there, and to inquire as to sailplane rides - agreed on a social there on 7/8 from 11am til 3pm 6/17/01 - contacted them, they said 'no problem' |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | Joyce | Research local AARP chapters | |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Kai | Write up examples of the items we need to have included in the Operating Agreement for our group to review at the next meeting. 6/17/01 - still in the works, need to slate a time to do this, it'll take half a meeting to work out the details |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Rosa | Letter to the editor on the JP article | |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | Rosa | Followup with Montessory School flyers sent out 6/17/01 - Not done yet - unclear on what needs to be done, asked for clarification. | |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Rosa | Volunteer to work the August 19th meeting | |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | Roxanne | Volunteer to work the July 15th meeting | |
| Membership | 06/17/01 | San | Go through the discussion list subscriptions and do pruning where necessary. | |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | Steph | Check in with Leslie to see how she's doing. 6/17/01 - No contact information? Steph needs it. Will get info from Cat | |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Steph | Get calling information from Steph regarding who was called back from intro meetings. 6/17/01 - Changed to 'steph get stuff to rosa' - Steph will get the paper docs from Cat (electronic form is hard to retrieve at the moment) |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | Steph | Check in with Annie 6/17/01 - Sent back her book with a note "hope you're well..." Might have hooked up with JP. | |
| Membership | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Steph | Followup URGENTLY on the 7/1 tour 6/17/01 - Uh oh! Not done yet. Will do phonecalls tonight. |
| Membership |
06/17/01 | Catya | Addign 'and support' to the associates section of the how to get involved document. | |
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Membership |
06/17/01 | Kai | Work on the wording on Unit Selection | |
| Retreat | 05/20/01 | Catya | Call the developer that John Abrams has recommended | |
| Retreat | 05/20/01 | Steph | Call Chris Whelan re: town properties (look up notes from Chris' November visit regarding who he talked to in Concord) | |
| Secretary | 06/17/01 | Steph | Update the paper minutes into the book | |
| Secretary | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Steph | Get the old documents from Lisa 6/17/01 - Steph wrote email today, waiting to hear back. |
| Secretary | 06/03/01 | 06/17/01 | Steph | Check on cohousing-L for any pointers on maintaining momentum between meetings 6/17/01 - Cat hasn't drafted it - mostly tryign to get the question organized. Steph will take over |
| Secretary | 06/17/01 | Steph | Combine action items from retreat to the regular action items | |
| Website |
06/17/01 | Catya | Post the June 3rd minutes on the website. | |
| LandSite | 06/03/01 | Dave | Will call realtor about the property in Acton in 7.5 acres in 800k range, zoning unknown, near Concord/Carlisle line, with 10 room contemporary house, small barn | |
| Website | 06/17/01 | Catya | Add Christie to LandSite | |
| Website | 06/17/01 | Ken | take the tape and compress it so that it can put it in digital format |
1. Approve Agenda
The order was changed a bit, and approved.
2. Approve Minutes
Tabled until the next meeting as they weren't posted to the website. Cat will
post to the website and we'll approve next week.
3. Document Review
Kelly gave us some feedback for our documents:
1- that we change some language that new Associates "read and support"
all of our previous decisions. Rosa suggested "read and accept". The
main thing we are trying to convey is that new folks shouldn't attempt to have
us revisit and re-decide previous issues. We agree it makes sense to add something.
2- re: Unit selection priority. She read it differently than we intended which
means we need clearer language. (See Cat's email for precise wording). Kai will
rework the wording for the unit selection priority.
**Decided to revisit both suggestions at the next meeting.
4. Fliers
Cat passed around her new flier designs. She suggested that we do another mailing
with the new fliers - we can do it at the next meeting if we're going to be
at Parmenter. Doesn't make sense to do it when we're visiting Pathways/Pioneer
Valley. Ken suggested dropping the answer to the catch line "Do you know
your neighbors" and just answering it in the text. Other suggestions: move
picture up, make sure there is space to write in one of the corners so that
people can put their contact information on it. Cat will redraft with the new
suggestions.
5. Committee Reports and Action Items
Dave took notes - most of these were updated via the action items.
Treasury:
Land/Site
Misc
6. Chris ScottHanson
Summarized the meeting with Chris. We have a video of it. Ken has volunteered
to take the tape and compress it so that it can put it in digital format. Dwight
gave Ken the Hi-8 tape.
High points of the meeting, as summarized by Kai.
Those present: Dave, Cat, Kai, Chris
-Talked about contract.
-Discussed previous contract work and communication issues with Chris and Kelly.
Chris came to the last meeting with a different perception -he came to the meeting
believing that he was supposed to report in detail on the Framingham site and
then poke around in Concord. From his point of view, he did what the contract
called for. In the discussion on Monday we decided that when he has a contract
with us in the future we would have a meeting as soon as possible to review
what he would do for this contract AND have a follow up meeting at the end.
In addition, we talked about having a person that would a liaison to him that
would have a weekly phone call with him to touch base. Dwight was volunteered
but he would prefers not to do it - he is overloaded. The idea is for it to
be someone other than Cat so that there is a different/additional voice from
the group. This conversation can also be a conference call, say, every Sunday
night.
-Dave is volunteering to be the liaison now (Cat came back later and volunteered
to continue being the primary liaison as well). The person who is the liaison
needs to have a good grasp of where the group is at re: consensus. Does not
require a large amount of real estate knowledge.
-Chris would be reporting on his findings from the previous week and asking
for direction. The liaison would be the go-between.
-Dwight will arrange for the conference call infrastructure.
-Chris said he felt it was time to follow up on the Framingham site and that
his recollection is that they are probably close to finding a developer for
the site and that we should find out if there is any chance for us to partner
with this developer to get a chunk of the land. This developer might want us
to purchase a sizable amount of units - 35 possibly? But if we're buying a horse
farm they might want a lower amount than we're thinking. San points out that
if we buy 35 lots we don't necessarily have to build on all of them.
-then clarified the contract. Kai asked some very good and specific questions
about the contract. There are two stages to it: (1) finding the land - Chris
would do some of this onsite here, piggybacking on his work for JP, but a lot
would be done on the phone as well. Talking to people in the know, developers,
etc. Chris would be presenting it as Cohousing Resources purchasing the land,
not as representing us. He would find out if it is a site we're interested in
and then ask us if we want him to negotiate for the land. Then (2) it would
go into a purchase and sale agreement between Cohousing R and the seller with
a bunch of contingency clauses for feasibility studies which he thinks he could
get 90days for it. And a clause that says when the closing happens he will assign
the rights to the 3rd party LLC that we'll form with him and a developer.
He would put together a feasibility team which includes engineers, land architects,
etc.
Payment: gets usual $1000per day + expenses and we'd budget 5 days a month.
This is the same rate we've been paying him. Once he finds land and we decide
to purchase it there is a Service and Risk fee (this is to make it clear to
local realtors that he is NOT a realtor), that is $20,000 (which would be his
commission if he was a realtor). There are expenses against this fee as well
(liability insurance, his legal fees). This is divided up into $5k at purchase
and sale and then $15K at closing (this can be included in the construction
loan).
-For us, we would have to pay for feasibility - which he estimated at $20-30K,
and then the cost of the down payment. This is when some people will jump in
because we've got land.
-At the end of the 90 days we'll pay the down payment ($50-100K).
-The feasibility fees are the most risky.
-Another thing that came up is that we each need to do an exercise - If you
were 100% comfortable, how much money could you come up with? What assets can
you liquidate? What money can you borrow from family? What money can you come
up with if you were 100% comfortable??? He said most 5 member groups could come
up with $300-$400,000.
-One thing to think about between hiring Chris and doing it on our own - if
we don't pay him we'll be paying a large commission to a realtor.
There was a discussion with him about what would happen if we actually decide
to hire him:
-Two choices on timing: (Chris and Kelly will be occupied with the cohousing
conference for 2 weeks, but there is a 3 week period between now and then that
he could use. He is coming out July 12, doing a workshop with JP on the 13th
for their common house design. He could be doing work with us (onsite) Thursday
and part of Friday. The other option is for them to start after the conference,
Aug. 1st.
-Point: if the land isn't feasible for us to build on, we still own the land.
We may get the land for below market and can sell it for a profit and get the
$ back.
-Cat says that the reason it is put in the name of Cohousing Resources is that
he finds that most sellers are unwilling to sell directly to the group so hiring
CR would be a large benefit in moving this along.
--Our understanding is that Chris still has some follow up work to do with Framingham. That he needs to write the letter and that this is included in the previous contract. (Cat will relay this to Chris). We want this to happen before August.
Cat asked if they are the only equity members that can come up with extra money.
-Discussed whether we need to do a cash call now, if we have enough money in
the bank now, or if we will need one in August. Found out that we will most
likely NOT need to do a cash call to hire Chris for three months (up through
October).
What is OUR role once we hire him?
-Continue to find properties and send them on to Chris (Roxanne and Dave)
-Continue to learn about Acton and Concord. Visit them, hang out, check out
the town.
-Continue to drive-by the sites that are being considered.
-Do an intro meeting with him here when he's out here in August.
DECISION: We came to consensus and agreed to hire Chris ScottHanson to do the land search beginning August 1st.
We would like an addition to the contract - the wording that Cat wrote up in email explaining the contract. (Cat**)
We will have an email discussion about the time/day of the week these weekly conference calls should happen.
7. Dates
Picnic next Sunday - Cat will announce more details as she has them
July 8, 2001 - Soaring social at Sterling Airport (and ice cream!)
Future agenda items:
7/1 Subsidies document from Island Cohousing
7/15 Operation Agreement/Policy Manual (will take 1/2 a meeting)
Date TBA: Mortgage Pre-approval
8. Review and Closing
We all agreed that we need to be better about using our discussion cards. It
makes facilitating much easier and less stressful. Decided that the facilitator
should review the cards with everyone at the beginning of the next meeting so
that we can utilize them quicker.
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