Minutes of Mosaic Commons
General Meeting
May 19, 2002, 3:30-6:30pm
| Present: | Steph, Dwight, Christie, Sarah, Roxanne, Judy, John, Greg, Ben, Janice, Catya, Rosa, San, Kai, Emma, Pascal, Kim, Rick, Gabe, Joan, Sal, Lynne, Lisa, Marty, Sophia, Cerie, Paul |
| Location: | Parmenter, Wayland |
| Facilitator: | Rosa, Judy |
| Notes: | Christie |
| Process Observer: | Steph |
| Timekeeper | Steph |
| # | Team | Person | Open Date | Description |
| 1 | Affordability | Kim | 4/7/2002 | Did Martha's Vineyard use a 40b for development? Ask john abrams. Can we get clarification of how the Lottery works with a 40b. Chris suggests talking to a woman :) Someone on the process committee. - 5/19 - Talked to John Abrams, yes they did use 40B. Lottery process was complicated |
| 2 | Affordability | Kim and Rosa | 5/19/2002 | Kim and Rosa to attend 40B seminar on 6/5/02 |
| 3 | Coordinating | Catya | 5/19/2002 | Talk to Steph about new equity members talking to Finance team beforehand |
| 4 | Coordinating | Catya | 4/21/2002 | Contact Joyce about consensus cards 5/19 - Sent email to Joyce |
| 5 | Coordinating | Catya | 5/5/2002 | Get with Roxanne to hand off the action item manager job. 5/19 - In process |
| 6 | Coordinating | Catya | 5/5/2002 | List of teams, etc - 5/19 - in process |
| 7 | Coordinating | Christie | 5/19/2002 | Write up proposed guidelines on solicitiation |
| 8 | Coordinating | Dwight | 5/19/2002 | Research on handling solicitation from outside our community |
| 9 | Coordinating | Everyone | 2/3/2002 | Write up Personal Team/Responsibility for MC ( like Cat's example) |
| 10 | Coordinating | Kim | 5/19/2002 | Plan dinner discussion about MC relationship with Cohousing Resources |
| 11 | Coordinating | Lisa W. | 4/7/2002 | Talk to communication person about getting details about a talk. (3 hrs?) 5/19 - Spoke to her, she will get info and dates to us so we can do a workshop by September |
| 12 | Coordinating | Rosa | 5/19/2002 | Talk to Catya about Chris, budget, money |
| 13 | Coordinating | San | 1/20/2002 | Follow
up ongoing participation Should work with draft Rosa sent to list on 2/26 |
| 14 | Coordinating | San | 2/17/2002 | Write up more thorough description of schedule coordinator |
| 15 | Coordinating | San | 2/17/2002 | Add implementation notes to mentor system |
| 16 | Coordinating | Steph | 1/20/2002 | Start a discussion on list how to deal with someone stating intention to become an equity member, and group does not come to consensus |
| 17 | Finance | Catya | 4/7/2002 | Facilitate acquiring ATM card for Cat - 5/19 - Dwight says this is now Catya's action item |
| 18 | Finance | Catya | 4/21/2002 | Sliding Scale revisions |
| 19 | Finance | Dwight | 12/2/2001 | Talk to
metro west about mortgage pre-approval stuff - contact plus list of info
they need. 2/28 - Contacted Mark Lampson at BankNorth. He has agreed to come in and present qualification and contact info at our 3/17 meeting, at 3:30, for about 15 minutes. 5/5: 6/2 at 3:30 / This will happen 6/2 at 3:30 |
| 20 | Finance | Kai | 11/4/2001 | Come up with a 'possible sources of money' sort of survey / worksheet for folks to work though. |
| 21 | Finance | Kai | 2/17/2002 | Rewrite proposal about when budget increases, how to handle 5% equity payments |
| 22 | LandSite | Dave, Greg, Virginia | 4/7/2002 | Come up with a way to work through finding out how we should evaluate / go over our requirements for land. 5/19 - Action item owners believe this should be part of effort to create a more activist land-site team |
| 23 | LandSite | Jim K | 5/19/2002 | Jim Kiely discuss with John what tasks he can do for LandSite team |
| 24 | LandSite | John | 5/19/2002 | Organize meetings of newly expanded LandSite team |
| 25 | LandSite | John | 2/17/2002 | Ask Chris what the factors are that he's using to evaluate a piece of land - If we see a piece that we want to prescreen, what can we do? |
| 26 | LandSite | John / Roxanne | 2/17/2002 | Figure out what towns we have zoning info for and get it for other towns we're looking at. - Make sure we have it on hand for all the towns we are considering 4/5 - have for Stow, Acton, Concord, need Maynard & possibly Hopkinton 5/5: Have lincoln, still need others. 5/19 - Got Maynard zoning docs. |
| 27 | LandSite | Steph | 2/17/2002 | Find the list of questions in the minutes asking about land and get it to John |
| 28 | Marketing/ Membership | Ben B. | 4/7/2002 | Come up with a 'word' that covers Associates and Members. |
| 29 | Marketing/ Membership | Catya | 3/17/2002 | Make nametag for Lisa Wolf - 5/19 - Lisa W. has a nametag, but these folks need them: Janice, Virginia, Marty, Paul & Cerie, Jim and Abby |
| 30 | Marketing/ Membership | Catya | 5/5/2002 | Update the how to get involved document and then team list on the decision #14 |
| 31 | Marketing/ Membership | Catya or San | 5/19/2002 | Add Ben B. to members list and Landsite list. And Marty H and Jim K to LandSite list |
| 32 | Marketing/ Membership | Cerie | 5/5/2002 | Help with June Intro meeting |
| 33 | Marketing/ Membership | Dwight | 3/17/2002 | propose mentoring be required for associates 5/5: in process |
| 34 | Marketing/ Membership | Judy | 3/17/2002 | Database
of mentors/mentees on website 4/5 - Provided update to list, along with list of mentors/mentees. Needs help creating database. |
| 35 | Marketing/ Membership | Kim | 4/21/2002 | Social at Drumlin Farm - 5/19 - in process |
| 36 | Marketing/ Membership | Rosa | 8/19/2001 | Make a note in the decision log about becoming an associate and and equity member on the same day. |
| 37 | Professionals | Catya | 5/5/2002 | Get with Cohousing Resources on number of days available for work in April and May - 5/19 - wrote Kelly |
| 38 | Secretary | San | 12/2/2001 | Add names of previous members to members database |
| 39 | Secretary | Steph | 8/5/2001 | Steph
will work on protocol for distributing documents. 9/16 still working on it. 11/18 Not done yet |
| 40 | Secretary | Steph | 1/20/2002 | Rework
pet policy discussion 3/1 - working on it, should have something for list in a few days |
| 41 | Website | Catya | 11/18/2001 | Put the
mp3's from the conference up on the web. 12/16 - cat will put in links to Ken's site 2/28 - Need to recheck the URL with Ken, the one I have doesn't work. 4/7 - URL still not working |
| 42 | Website | Kai | 2 new faq questions SVS connection and child friendliness. | |
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| 43 | Coordinating | Greg | 3/3/2002 | bring bag of paper goods to meeting |
| 44 | Coordinating | John | 1/20/2002 | Parmenter Key Dwight's the backup |
| 45 | Coordinating | Kim | 11/4/2001 | Coordinate babysitting for future meetings |
| 46 | Coordinating | Kim | 1/20/2002 | Call Jeanette to confirm |
| 47 | Coordinating | San | 6/17/2001 | Go through the discussion list subscriptions and do pruning where necessary. |
| 48 | Finance | Kim | 7/15/2001 | 2/3/02
501(c)3 is not appropriate for our group , a lot of work for no guarantees.
Has found an experience attorney Matt Keifer, has extensive beackground
in cohousing.Spoke with many people from different cohousing groups about
how to approach affordability. 2/28 - now working with attorney Kate McCabe (who worked w/ Matt Keifer), and pursuing other avenues to aproach affordable housing like possible tax abatement, habitat for humanity, among others |
| 49 | Finance | Lisa L | 6/3/2001 | Research
affordability facilitation groups 6/17/01 - most organizations don't seem to want to allocate funds until you're ready to break ground 8/19 Ongoing 9/16 Ongoing 10/21 In a crunch schoolwise, slowing down til end of november. |
| 50 | Marketing/ Membership | Christie/Ben | 3/3/2002 | Create a Mosaic Commons song book |
| 51 | Marketing/ Membership | Everyone | 9/16/2001 | All will reread the information about the Process Workshops that was sent to the mosaic-commons email list by San. |
| 52 | Marketing/ Membership | Everyone | 10/7/2001 | ALL should send information to Cat asap about the various email lists you are on so she can send the announcements to them. Deadline: monday dec 10th |
| 53 | Marketing/ Membership | Judy | 3/3/2002 | track marketing literature, places to advertise, etc. - needs to pass to someone else. |
| 54 | Marketing /Membership | Kai | 6/3/2001 | Write up examples of the items we need to have included in the Operating Agreement for our group to review at the next meeting. 6/17/01 - still in the works, need to slate a time to do this, it'll take half a meeting to work out the details 08/05/01 - First drafts presented and discussed - still going on. 11/18 - some to discuss to day, more to do |
| 55 | Marketing/ Membership | Kim | 2/3/2002 | Follow up calls for intro meeting |
| 56 | Marketing/ Membership | Lisa | 11/4/2001 | Research article that Kai found about Gay elders and housing discrimination, with a view toward marketing. |
| 57 | Marketing/ Membership | Steph | 8/5/2001 | Put together a 'members handbook' for new people 10/21 Talk to christie and judy about helping out. |
The agenda was approved with change: to flip flop Items 10 and 11 because several people are leaving early.
Steph--The May 5 minutes should state that the Finance Team will meet with prospective equity members prior to the meeting in which the group will vote on their membership.
Catya would like people to give her updated information from their teams before general meetings
Judy reminded people to be brief with their comments.
Marty--Appreciated how much people stepped in to help with all the kids; site was not childproof; view was great.
GregHad trouble sleeping due to the noise; loved the location and lake. Can we use the cabins next time to get more privacy? Had a great time.
JimSpent a lot of time running after Brendan; noise was a problem; some scheduled activities would be helpful; Abby learned that the cabins were $300/weekend.
RosaFelt a bit grumpy leading up to retreat; felt bad b/c the place was not sound-insulated; affordable and beautiful; works well in many other ways.
KaiHad a great time -- it reminded him of how great it will be to live with everyone. We will need a balance between having scheduled activities for new people and hang-out time for old timers.
SanBugged by litter under mattress. Bringing bedding for a family of 4 was a lot of extra work.
RickLiked it, would do it again, was sick all weekend.
DwightLiked the spontenaity of not having scheduled activities; liked hanging out with kids, liked the fire and performance night.
StephLoved her "real" bed; appreciated men making Mothers Day brunch.
Felt a separation between new and old people, but wasnt sure how to make it better.
SaraGreat time; would prefer to have a more local site next time esp. for folks who would like to just go for the day.
RoxanneGreat time hanging out with future neighbors; noise was an issue.
LisaHad a great time socializing; loved the lake.
Rosa suggested that we have 2 people who are designated retreat planners in the future because the growing size of the group makes planning too much for 1 person; she would like the retreat to be away from this area geographically so it feels like a get-away.
KimWe dont know exactly how the lottery system works, and it varies from town to town. The main issue for us is in the event of a membership lottery that is open to the public at large; how do we recruit people who will want to participate in building a community with us?
BenWould like to know if its possible that people from MC would not get selected in the event of a lottery. Concerned about how members and people at large will be categorized and hence selected for membership in the community. Kim reiterated that it varies from county to county.
Orange card to Kim for all of her work on the 40B research!
Roxanne--Shared information on an upcoming 40B seminar to be held in Boston on Wednesday, June 5th from 7:30-10 am. Kai suggests we limit it to 2 people; Kim and Rosa volunteer. Kim will RSVP by May 29th to the organizer of the seminar.
JohnFeels we need to use Chriss time more efficiently and he would like us to re-consider our land search methodology. Wants to form a small land-search team dedicated to finding potential sites. Would like to open this up for discussion and would like to know who would like to volunteer.
StephWith process observation: Given our emotional investment in this issue, we need to keep in mind that the people spear-heading this work may become "lightning rods" within the group; we need to be sensitive to them during the process and be careful not to scapegoat them in the event that things dont go well.
BenKnows the search site area well and would like to volunteer on the land search team.
DwightBelieves this group should be small and the details of potential sites should be kept to the land search team; echos Stephs comments about the lightning rod issue; concerned about non-associate members joining this particular team given the confidentiality issue.
Ben--Would like to become an associate member, but doesnt feel hes done enough action items; group says this team would count as enough work for him to become an associate immediately.
RosaWill add 5 minutes to agenda later to vote on Bens membership.
RickWants to know why we dont know what Chris does?
JohnIs not completely satisfied with Chriss level of communication with him.
JimDo we have a contract with Chris?
DwightNotes that our contract with CoHousing Resources is vague and ambiguous.
RosaIs not comfortable about the direction of conversation; notes that if we are unhappy with our contract we need to discuss it elsewhere.
LisaThought CSHs role was to be doing things we were not able to do. So how is it that we can just jump into that role and those responsibilities?
JohnWe are in a much more educated place than we were a few months ago.
StephWere not proposing that we not hire him, so much as we want to consider how we can do more to feed him information; we could do more leg work and use him more as an information resource.
GregThinks Johns suggestion is well thought out. Feels he has a lot to offer to this team. Would like to find a student who we could hire to help us with some of the land search research.
JimIs not sure what he can do since hes not an associate, but would like to help.
RoxanneWould like to do research (town records, etc) on this team, but not comfortable knocking on doors.
MartyHas daytime flexibility and could do some leg work for the land-site task force if someone could give her specific tasks.
GregWill the people who are already on land-site continue on the land-site task force? In essence, we are saying we need to redefine the function of the land-site committee.
RosaIt sounds to me like we are asking people to join the land-site team in a very focused manner in order to carry out the leg work we would like to take over from CSH.
JohnOur first task will be to determine what needs to be done and then we will be able to reach out more to people who are willing to take on specific tasks.
StephWould like to know what people think about posting the meeting notes from our last meeting with CSH because she feels like there are people here who would like to participate more in this discussion that cant because they havent seen the minutes. (Group says that would be okay and Steph passes minutes around).
KaiWonders if we can add some of the new people to the land-site list? Proposes that we add Jim and Marty to the list. Although they are not associate members, does not believe they propose a threat to our confidentiality.
JohnAsks that all land-site members read Chapter 5 in CSHs book.ar GregKaren felt like Maynard is as developed as it can get and doesnt feel that the town would welcome our group. Rosa and San suggest we move this discussion to the Land-Site Cmte report later in the meeting.
BenHas compiled the groups ideas for a general term for all people involved in MC and will report at the next meeting.
Break: 10 minutes.
Steph--Reports no major process concerns.
Sara--Excited about how we get through business and stay on topic.
BenLikes the way Judy and Rosa are working together.
9.5. Ben becomes an associate member!
SanHot Topics Background: Other groups have found it useful to begin discussing hot topics prior to moving in together in order to help people select a group that is a good fit for them, and to clarify how people feel about sensitive issues ahead of time with the intention of heading-off conflicts pro-actively.
JudyIt looks like a common feature is that no one wants to have people in their face.
Dwight--There are constitutional issues here. Individuals can decide if they want solicitation, but we need to consult somebody to find out the extent to which a group can make such a decision.
RosaBelieves we dont need an explicit policy for our community.
Dwights remarks had to do with outside solicitation.
MartyBulletin board is not a very efficient communication tool. I would like to see a table in a corner of the dining hall where people could provide info to interested people without being intrusive to others.
KimPart of the experience for kids, say in Girl Scouts, is the sell; thats part of what theyre learning. Do we want to eliminate that?
BenI believe a lot of these issues come down to getting to know each other.
JohnWhat if people signed a form letting people know that they dont mind being visited by Girl Scouts, etc?
MartyI think kids in coho are going to be getting a lot of practice interacting with adults and wont necessarily need the experience of selling door to door to get that.
RosaThere are commercial things, but there are also things like Judys play that folks would want to know about. Is an email message system a good idea?
BenI want to know about things like Judys play, but I really dont want any more spam.
LisaWe could use prefixes on our email that would let people know theyre an announcement.
SaraTheres an important difference between a solicitation and an announcement.
MartyIm a little uncomfortable with posting signs that say, "No dont" at the entrance to a community because it may create an unwelcoming or negative tone.
DwightI propose that we take what we have discussed and draft a guideline on solicitation.
ChristieI will take that. To clarify, what I mostly heard was around within group solicitation, not outside solicitation; my draft will reflect this.
SanWe need to make an action item to research Dwights concerns about making a policy around outside solitiation.
Coordinating
SanIt would be helpful if people would mark their vacations on the yahoo groups calendar.
Marketing
JudyMarketing doesn't agree with her and she would like someone else to step in on this team.
Did Virginia volunteer to work on this team?
Conflict Resolution
JohnWeve had a couple meetings and are in the process of putting together a report that we would like to bring to an upcoming meeting. We would like to use an approach that will allow us to channelize conflicts back into the group in the form of good energy.
Facilitation
RosaWeve been meeting regulary and it seems to going well. Were always open to hearing peoples comments about what they like and dont like, etc.
Land Site
RosaGreg wanted us to discuss Karens concerns about the prospects of finding land in Maynard.
KimI had a positive sense of possibilities for land in Maynard from the conservation team. I am looking at 2 pieces of land, with the possibility of 4 more coming up for sale. The people Ive talked to knew what cohousing was.
BenMaynard has two different populations which may create two very different responses to cohousing.
SanI think the Maynard Conservation Cmte has a meeting this Tuesday night; is it possible for one of us to attend?
BenI can probably go.
KaiWe should be clear that whoever goes should not share information about our group, but just collect information.
Finance
KaiWe had a cash call and a second cash call for $6000.00 that was not met. We do not have the money right now for paying CR for June and the retreat expenses. We are short $1,500.00. We can have another call. The finance team is getting frustrated with peoples slow rates of response; we need people to shorten their response times.
RoxanneIf we dont come up with the money, we could contract with CSH 3 days instead of 5 next month.
StephI agree.
KimHave we considered asking CSH for a free month since our land-search has gone on for so long and the group is tapped out of money?
DwightThere is no evidence that the group is tapped out and I want to avoid using that kind of terminology to describe the groups finances.
RosaI would support re-doing a cash call because it seems like a really big discussion to re-think our spending.
JohnI support rethinking our spending.
JudyIt wouldnt hurt asking CSH if he would be flexible with us next month without ruling out our future ability to rethink our spending.
MartyI wonder if were getting our moneys worth from CSH and feel we need to rethink that.
Steph and DwightPropose that we have a third call, and ask that people respond as soon as possible. If that call is not met, I propose that Cat ask CSH to consider contracting with us for 3 instead of 5 days next month.
JohnI propose a different solution: If the cash call is not met, I think we should have an emergency meeting to have the spending discussion.
SaraIm feeling that would be rushed; I wouldnt be able to make that meeting. I feel we should follow the current procedure at the moment.
RosaI propose we answer Dwights proposal. To restate, we will have a 3rd cash call, and if that is not met, we will have Cat talk to CSH about us getting a break. We can also have a discussion at some point in the future about our relationship with Cohousing Resources.
SaraNow that we know what our expenses are, I wonder if we truly need the entire $6000.00. Finance team to discuss this.
DwightOur contract is with Cohousing Resources which is bigger than just CSH; our language should reflect that.
KaiI have been working on producing an operating agreement (OA). I am specifically working on how we will define the relationship between this document and the already-existing policies and procedures of the group.
DwightThe tax accountant needs to have the OA in order to understand what the obligations are between and among the members of the group.
Future Meetings:
June 2, 16
July 7, 21
Intro meetings:
June 16th (?)
July 21st (Judy will assist Catya; Back-up: Kim)
Socials:
June 14th Puzzle and collage project (contact San)
June 30th Drumlin Farm
SanFeels our discussion about our contract with CR needs to happen before the next general meeting because several Equity members will not be here.
Rosa--Feels that that discussion doesnt happen before the next meeting.
KimWhat about a dinner discussion? (with wine)
KimI feel the discussion should happen soon, but its not urgent.
JohnWe need to have the discussion before we are backed into a corner and we will be forced to do something we dont want to do.
KimVolunteered to coordinate that meeting among members and associates.
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